People you admire. People who inspire.
A confetti cannon of conversation.

THE FESTIVE CONVO: YASEMIN TROLLOPE. FOUNDER OF RITE OF PASSAGE FUNERALS.

How many of you can say you know a Funeral Director? Well I can! Strictly speaking, Yasemin is a Ceremony and Ritual Specialist. ‘Funeral Director’ conjures up images of Dan Aykroyd in the movie My Girl. And that is definitely not Yaz. Because what she has created is completely changing the way people think about death.

And I understand ‘festive’ is not really a word associated with funerals. There are lots of other words that come to mind. Negative ones. Because a funeral comes after death and that, to most people, is one of the scariest words of all. But Yasemin is trying to rewire all that. Funerals, wakes and memorials are, after all, a celebration of life, which is why I was so excited to share Yaz’s story here. She has so much wisdom to impart.

After a light-bulb moment while living overseas, the Aussie entrepreneur realised that there is much work to be done around the way we think about, deal with, acknowledge and commemorate death. She moved back to settle in the Gold Coast Hinterland with her husband and two young boys and founded Rite Of Passage Funerals.

Yaz has built a business that beautifully and thoughtfully creates bespoke ceremonies and events, full of heartfelt and unique touches that truly honour loved ones. But she isn’t satisfied with leaving things there. She is also working hard to educate us in the way we think about death.

You’ll finish this interview completely inspired, totally fascinated and maybe even ready to change some of your own mindsets too.

Enjoy the read x

If you want to connect on Instagram, you can find Yasemin here and Rite Of Passage Funerals here.

Or visit the Rite Of Passage Funerals website here.

Photography by Roshini McCartin
@roshimccartin
WHAT IS RITE OF PASSAGE FUNERALS AND WHY DID YOU START THE BUSINESS? 

Rite of Passage Funerals specialises in creating unforgettable funerals & end-of-life events from Ballina to Brisbane (and beyond).

I started Rite of Passage Funerals because I believe that end-of-life events – be it a funeral, memorial, living wake or bedside vigil – are critically important, and I felt that they just weren’t being given the grace, personalisation and love that they require.

When faced with the prospect of planning a funeral, I was completely discontent with what was available. Most funeral services take place in a soulless room at a memorial park or funeral home, where you have 45-90 minutes for a service before the next grieving family is wheeled in. It’s sad and depressing, and not remotely what I would want for my family, friends or myself, so I set about creating a completely different offering that honours life without strict time restrictions, uses styling to create beautiful spaces, educates families on their options and redistributes their budget into the things that have the most meaning (clue: it’s not an overpriced casket).

WHAT IS YOUR BACKGROUND? 

I completed a Bachelor of Arts (majoring in Journalism) and while in my final year I was ‘the work experience kid’ at New Idea. I worked across fashion and beauty, for free, for 12 months, and fell in love with the idea of being a Beauty Editor. From there, I scored the Beauty Assistant role at Marie Claire, then went on to be Beauty Editor at Famous, launch PRIMPED.com.au as Beauty Editor under the amazing Zöe Foster, then go on to be Editor of PRIMPED.com.au, New York Editor of PRIMPED.com.au, freelance for many years and now… this! Yup, it’s a career pivot if I ever saw one.

WHEN DID YOU DECIDE TO START RITE OF PASSAGE FUNERALS?

It’s a crazy story, so I’ll do my best to keep it brief. My husband and I sold all our belongings (including our house!) in 2016 and moved to the USA with a 10 month old and 3.5 year old. We’d been working towards this goal for 5 years, planning to start an organic wholefood and chicken eatery in a town called Asheville, North Carolina, where my mother-in-law lived. We’d purchased a commercial building, poured energy and time and creativity into this plan and made many, many sacrifices along the way. But not long after arriving we realised that dream no longer aligned with our life and our beautiful boys. I was in free-fall for a time, wondering what we were going to do, where we were going to live, what our life would look like moving forward. There was no path laid out in front of us; it was space and nothingness and, in that period, fear and darkness. It was messy.

But through that darkness we both realised that by having nothing, you also have everything. We were fortunate to be in a position with choice. With options. In fact, with a shift in mindset we were in the best possible position because we were free. Free to make our own choices and create a roadmap for our family without ties or strings or commitments to honour.

From that place came healing and rebuilding and looking at life through a completely different lens. And it was from that place, while reading an article on crematoriums in Europe, that I realised THIS is what I’m meant to be doing. I felt it with every cell in my body; the death space needed my love, care, attention and creativity. In that moment I made a commitment to follow this soul calling and set about starting this business, from nothing but an idea, and making it a reality.

WHAT HAS BEEN THE MOST EXCITING PART? 

The creative stuff is always so fun. I recently rebranded and built a new website and it was so exciting seeing my ideas come to fruition. It’s also exciting seeing the business evolve and grow, and realising that you can conquer mountains one step at a time if you just keep persevering.

WHAT HAS BEEN THE HARDEST PART? 

Managing my expectations. I was seriously disillusioned when it came to how hard and slow and challenging it is to start a business. I truly (and crazily) believed that if I just put a cute website up the phone would start ringing. Ha! But the lessons I’ve learned on this journey have helped me grow in ways I never would have dreamed of, so I’m thankful for all the challenges that come my way.

The early days were also hard as we left the USA and moved back to Australia, but rather than return to Sydney we bought a house on the Gold Coast Hinterland, so I was starting a new business, in a new field, in a new city, without any contacts whatsoever. It’s actually mind-blowing when I think about it.

Being a Mama invites its own challenges as well, just finding time to carve out work and family time and really trying to be present with the boys.

WHAT IS THE BIGGEST WORK LESSON YOU’VE LEARNT SO FAR? 

That building a sustainable business takes time. Well, for me anyway. I would always hear these stories of how people would start something and suddenly they were busy and things just seemed to take off immediately. At first, I’d question the validity of my idea and think I was just nuts for doing this, because it has been a very slow burn. But my trust and passion for Rite of Passage Funerals has just kept me going. We’re so conditioned to want and receive things immediately these days, there’s very little opportunity for delayed gratification, but I’ve learned that it’s actually through the trusting, waiting and surrender that all my biggest lessons have come and that the business is just growing into itself. I’ve had time to really harness and care for it, bring new ideas into the mix and create some incredible resources to help change the way people view death. I wouldn’t have been able to do that if I was busy from the get-go – so I’m grateful for it all.

THE BEST ADVICE YOU RECEIVED ABOUT STARTING YOUR OWN BUSINESS OR WORKING FOR YOURSELF? 

Don’t focus on what everyone else is doing – you do you. And in this industry, which can be really cut throat, I am the black sheep. At first I felt a bit intimidated by it all, like I was an imposter – but now I’m so proud of my differences and celebrate with aplomb.

HAVE YOU HAD ANY MENTOR HELP ALONG THE WAY? 

Yes, absolutely! From friends who are business coaches to family members to people in the death industry… I couldn’t have done it alone. No way.

WHAT IS SOMETHING YOU WISH PEOPLE KNEW ABOUT DEATH AND FUNERALS? 

When you lean into the inevitability of death it can be a truly transformative thing. When you’re born, you sign a leger that one day you’re also going to die, so it’s what you do in between that truly matters.

I believe funerals exist to open hearts, facilitate healing and bring tribes together to mourn, connect and lean on each other. They are sad, of course, but they’re also beautiful when done right.

Photography @Beczacherphoto

HOW HAS BECOMING A MAMA CHANGED YOU? 

Oh gosh, in every imaginable way. My boys have instigated significant growth in me. They are my teachers, no doubt about it. I have learned things about myself that I never knew were there; the good, the bad and the ugly. I have laughed more, cried more and lived more in the last 6 years since becoming a Mama than I did in my entire 29 years prior.

HOW HAS IT CHANGED HOW YOU WORK?

I remember my friend Lorraine Murphy saying something like ‘don’t make your kids the excuse for not doing something, make them your reason for doing it in the first place,’ and that really resonated with me.

When I had Arlo I just kept working. I was a very busy freelancer at the time and as I worked from home (and my husband did as well) we were super flexible. But after having Kip I knew I wouldn’t be able to keep up that pace with a newborn and a toddler, so I wrapped up all my contracts and threw myself into motherland and prepping for our overseas move.

We ended up staying in the USA for 10 months on an extended holiday, so again, my husband and I enjoyed the boys and our time in the Appalachian Mountains, but after having that life-changing realisation to start Rite of Passage Funerals, the call to return to ‘work’ was strong.

So far I’ve been able to work around the boys schedules with school and kindy, but as the business gets busier it is getting harder, especially with the nature of funerals. There’s a short turnaround time and you don’t know when they’re going to come in, so it’s hard to create structure, but my husband is super hands on and supportive, so we just make it work.

WHAT IS THE MOST REWARDING PART OF MUM LIFE? 

Just seeing them grow and shine and overcome their obstacles with such courage and tenacity. What seems tiny to us adults can be a big deal to little ones, so watching them learn how to feel into these moments and grow from them is amazing to me.

WHAT IS THE HARDEST PART? 

Owning my own shit. You know, sometimes it’s so easy to react and blame the kids and get angry and lose your mind (and that happens on occasion, trust me!) but when I feel like that I take a breath and try to see what’s triggered me to react in this way and feel so intensely in this moment, and often that is hard and painful. Also, the constant tiredness. I wonder if I’ll ever have energy again?

WHAT DOES ‘BALANCE’ LOOK LIKE IN YOUR LIFE? 

It looks like relaxing my expectations. By Sunday afternoon my house looks like it’s been ransacked and once upon a time I would have really struggled with that (because: perfection) but now I just accept that my new reality means a house that isn’t always spotless (okay, more like mostly messy), sending emails at odd hours or being late for school a few days a term. And honestly, I don’t care, because I’ve spent time with my family at the beach or planned an amazing funeral for a family who’ve lost a loved one. And that, to me, is balance!

ANYTHING YOU WISH SOMEONE HAD TOLD YOU BEFORE YOU HAD KIDS? 

It’s absolutely NUTS! I have two boys and they literally never stop moving. They’re always running, jumping, wrestling, leaping, climbing, fighting… it’s crazy. I come from a family of girls, so this is all new to me, and my goodness it’s BUSY. I’ve had to wrap my head around this new phenomenon, and I’ve now mastered the art of tuning out. Lol!

WHEN DID YOU FIRST FEEL LIKE A GROWN UP? 

Oh gosh, never! My hubby and I were talking about this the other day; how we still feel like kids in many respects, but we’re also really grown up and responsible parents. It’s this weird paradox. I still love playing and being ridiculously silly, dancing and doing embarrassing things that my family think is totally out there, so that keeps me kind of young, but on the flip side of that I think the huge life overhaul we’ve experienced over the past few years has made up stop, take stock, push through many, many challenges and realise that this grown up gig is f’ing hard.

WHAT MOTIVATES YOU THE MOST?

Being of service, helping people, shedding light on dark situations and being the best, most radically evolved human I can possibly be. I’m constantly learning, growing and leaning into discomfort to show my boys that life is there to be lived right to the very edges.

YOUR BEST TIP FOR SHAKING YOURSELF OUT OF A FUNK? 

Stop everything you’re doing. Take a deep breath. Go for a run, have a shower, journal, meditate and really honour all your feelings, then (and most importantly) pick up the phone and call a friend and be brave and vulnerable enough to tell them that you’re having a shit day and that you’re not okay in this moment. I’ve learned the hard way that pretending everything is fine when it’s not is a thief of joy. You can’t always help yourself, and that’s okay.

ANY PRACTICES OR RITUALS YOU DO EACH DAY? 

Much to the hilarity of my husband I’ve just started ecstatic dance. I go downstairs, blast my favourite music (at the moment it’s Higher Love by Kygo among others) and literally dance like no one is watching. It feels SOOOOO GOOOD! I can’t tell you the joy it brings me, so I do it everyday. I also read every. single. day. I never miss a day without at least a few pages of a good book (always personal growth and spirituality) and every night before bed I tell my boys: ‘you are loved, you are loveable and I love you just the way you are.’ – it’s their little bedtime mantra and I wouldn’t miss it for the world.

ANY WELLNESS TIPS AND TRICKS? 

With a background as a wellness writer, I’ve tried almost everything over the years. My current obsession is a copper tongue scraper. It sounds gross because it is, but it feels amazing and eliminates all the bacteria from your mouth that you’d usually just swallow or leave there. I’ve got Alex onto it too and even my parents!

ANY TIPS FOR MUMS WORKING FOR THEMSELVES AND HOW TO MANAGE BOTH ELEMENTS OF THEIR LIVES? 

Be kind to yourself! There’s this subtle expectation that we should do everything perfectly – be amazing mums and wives and lovers and friends and bosses, but to that I shake my head. Men don’t have these pressures, so why should we? Do the best you can do, create space for YOURSELF so you can fill up your cup, and learn to say no. Creating strong boundaries is key for us working mamas, so don’t feel like you have to please everyone at your own expense.

WHAT DOES A REGULAR DAY LOOK LIKE FOR YOU? 

I wake up anywhere between 5:30am and 6:30am, greet the boys (my husband is always the first one up so takes the boys until I’m up), have a cup of tea and then start getting the boys ready for school/kindy. Sometimes we’ll go for a walk before school depending on the time, other mornings the boys will play in the garden or go for a quick swim. We’re out the door at 8am and then it depends on whether I have a funeral service or not. If I do, it’s all systems go with planning and executing, otherwise it’s either running a few errands, home to work for a few hours and then lunch. My husband also works from home so we have lunch together and then a nap most days I don’t have a service (I know, right!) to recharge the batteries. I will then do my dancing, pick up the boys, come home and make dinner and then we all watch a short TV show together (at the moment it’s Ultimate Beastmaster; the boys are obsessed) before the boys go to bed at 7pm and Al and I watch some TV and head to bed about 9pm.

WHAT ARE YOUR TRICKS FOR MANAGING WORKLOAD AND PRODUCTIVITY? 

I use Planoly for my Instagram account. I find setting aside 30-40 mins a week to schedule everything in advance is much easier than trying to do it each day. I also find I’m most productive between 10am-2pm so I power out as much as I can in those hours so I can spend the rest of my day doing other things. The way I work now is so different to how I used to. I used to think working hard meant the number of hours under my belt, but now I’m all about short bursts and I’m achieving more than ever.

HOW TO YOU MAINTAIN A POSITIVE OUTLOOK AND STRONG MENTAL HEALTH WHILE DEALING WITH OTHER PEOPLES SADNESS?

I think I’m naturally a pretty upbeat person so my personality suits this work, but in addition to that, I’ve learned how to be present and give love and energy without taking on other people’s grief. I also work with an amazing kinesiologist who helps with anything that might come up. I truly see it as an honour to be able to come into people’s lives when they’ve lost a loved one, so my mindset isn’t on sadness or negativity (even though it is very sad) but on gratitude, and that is probably the key difference.

WHAT HAS BEEN THE MOST MEANINGFUL CELEBRATION YOU’VE EVER THROWN ?

My wedding! My husband and I eloped when we were travelling around the world in 2011 and it was such a magical day. It was very simple but the love we exchanged that day is something I’ll never forget. We were both just totally ‘in’ the moment and it was incredible.

WHAT KIND OF CELEBRATION STYLING DO YOU GRAVITATE TOWARDS ?

Earthy, relaxed, casual and full of love.

HOW IMPORTANT IS IT TO CREATE A ‘MOOD’ AT AN EVENT?

Very important! Mood is crucial.

WHAT ARE SOME SMALL TOUCHES PEOPLE CAN ADD TO A CELEBRATION OF LIFE, THAT THEY MAY NOT HAVE THOUGHT OF? 

Our services aim to create a multi-sensory experience for guests, so we look at ways we can bring sights, sounds, smells, tastes and touches that make the event truly reflect the life we’re honouring. At a funeral we arranged last week, the widow said that his wife loved the smell of lemongrass, so we diffused lemongrass. He loved that. We also combine the wake and ceremony, so that people don’t taper off, and the food we serve always reflects some of, if not all of, their favourite things. It’s also in the music, the pictures, the keepsakes. There really are no rules!

FAVOURITE INSTAGRAM ACCOUNTS TO FOLLOW FOR INSPIRATION? 

@travelswithnina (I interviewed her about bucket lists for my blog and she’s AMAZING!)

@spell (because I want to live in their clothes)

@tobemagnetic (I love Lacy’s podcast and can’t wait to do her online manifesting program)

SOME SONGS OR MUSIC YOU SUGGEST? 

I have a whole Rite of Passage Funerals Spotify Playlist you can tune into.

YOU WERE A BEAUTY EDITOR FOR A LONG TIME, AND KNOWN FOR YOUR INCREDIBLE GLOW. WHATS THE SECRET?! 

Thanks! Lots of water and face oils. Also, I always mix a liquid luminiser (currently using Becca) with my tinted moisturiser for added glow.

WHICH BEAUTY PRODUCTS DO YOU USE TO THE VERY, VERY LAST DROP?

Basically anything by Mukti – I love their stuff. Also, Black Chicken Remedies Natural Deodorant, it’s the best.

WHAT ARE SOME OF YOUR BEST LOCAL/AUSSIE FINDS? 

Both Mukti and Black Chicken are Aussie, but I also love The Beauty Chef, Eye of Horus Cosmetics and Ayu fragrance.

IF YOU COULD CREATE A SIGNATURE SCENT, WHICH PERFUMES WOULD INSPIRE IT? 

I remember when I was a kid, my mum went through a hippie phase and wore patchouli oil. At the time my sister and I were like ‘WTF is that scent’ but now whenever I smell it I think of her. It gets a bit of a bad wrap, but when blended with the right oils and pared right back, I think patchouli has a place. Right? I also love Ayu Rumi fragrance, it’s a jasmine-based scent and it’s so pretty.

THE FESTIVE CONVO: LISA PATULNY, FOUNDER OF CALL TIME ON MELANOMA

Effortlessly cool and enormously talented, Lisa Paulny is a seasoned journalist and stylist living in Sydney.

She’s worked for some of the biggest publishing brands in Australia, both in print and online, like SHOP Til you Drop (where we met and she was a part of my beauty team), PopSugar.com.auMyDomainehome.com.au, Byrdie.com.au and more.

It was at Byrdie that she crossed paths with an intern who would change the course of her career – and I dare say – her life.

During their time working together, Lisa’s intern Natalie Fornasier had been re-diagnosed with advanced melanoma. Lisa was inspired to bring awareness to the cancer that kills more young Australians than any other, and with Natalie’s help she created the campaign Call Time On Melanoma. To say it’s been a success is a huge understatement. HUGE.

The campaign quickly became an official Not-For-Profit promoting sun safety, awareness and SPF education, all thanks to Lisa’s dedication, energy and love for the cause.

She’ll be far too humble to tell you that she’s already been nominated for multiple awards for her work on CTOM and just last week, she became a winner! #proudsaspunch

I couldn’t be more excited to give Lisa and Call Time On Melanoma another platform to share their message. Plus prepare to be inspired by her tips on starting a business (on the fly after being made redundant!), motherhood and more. You’ll want to screen grab her beauty recommendations too – have you seen her skin!?

Enjoy the read x

If you want to connect on Instagram, you can find Lisa here and CTOM here.

WHERE DID THE IDEA FOR CALL TIME ON MELANOMA COME FROM?

I founded Call Time On Melanoma (CTOM) late last year as a platform through which to share our ambassador (and my friend) Natalie Fornasier’s inspiring story. Natalie was first diagnosed with stage III melanoma at the age of 20, and then again with stage IV at 24 in 2018.

It’s a not-for-profit awareness initiative that exists to share statistics, facts, first-person stories and sunscreen recommendations. We’re about reframing sun safety as self-care. But more than that, CTOM is a community for sun smart young women.

WHEN DID YOU DECIDE TO TURN IT INTO A NOT-FOR-PROFIT?

CTOM began life as an editorial initiative on Byrdie Australia, late last year. Basically, the week we were due to launch it, I was made redundant, along with most of my team. So we sped up our timeline and sent it live the next day, just wanting it to be out there. And wouldn’t you know it, the response was bloody incredible. The content was the highest performing ever on that website. We were all blown away. Just seeing the incredible traction—I knew it had to live on. So I built CTOM’s own site and social, and I guess
it just organically evolved into a not-for-profit. It’s what made the most sense.

HOW LONG DID IT TAKE TO GO FROM IDEA TO A FULLY-FLEDGED COMPANY?

Not long! I’ve had a slightly different journey to most business owners in that I effectively got to test the market (via Byrdie Australia) before I launched CTOM as an entity all on its own. But once I made the call to do that, it was action stations. From ideation to soft launch on Byrdie, it was just under 8 weeks. (!) I registered the business a month later. It’s now been in operation for just over 9 months.

WHAT HAS BEEN THE MOST EXCITING PART?

First of all, being able to do this with and for Natalie means the world to me. We’ve become closer through our work together and I cherish her as a friend and colleague. And then the community we’ve found is just incredible. From women who are currently or have previously battled melanoma, to sun safe influencers and also women who have learned something from us and changed their sun safety habits—I’m not exaggerating when I say it’s been the most rewarding work of my life.

WHAT HAS BEEN THE HARDEST PART?

Probably the negative self-talk and my perfectionist streak. I’ve had many ideas for business ventures in the past, but none have ever gotten off the ground because of my own self-judgement. In hindsight I think it was a
gift that I was made redundant—I suddenly only had 4 days to send CTOM live or I would have let down not only Natalie but the rest of my team and quite a few brands.

WHERE DID YOU NEED HELP?

I’ve chosen to self-educate to progress the business because I don’t have a lot of capital. For instance, I built the website using WIX over a long weekend. My approach is to do the best I can with what I have.
(Which isn’t much—CTOM launched the week I lost my job after having been back from maternity leave for three months.) That said, I’ve also been incredibly fortunate. I have many skilled friends willing to donate their time and services to help CTOM which is wonderful. Right now, I’m working with a boutique agency on branding and web design, and they’ve taken CTOM on board as a charity partner. I originally reached out for a design quote as I follow them on Instagram and admire their work and they then kindly offered. Being a NFP means people may be more inclined to
help, but having a passion for your purpose really can inspire others to support you.

WHAT IS THE BIGGEST LESSON YOU’VE LEARNT SO FAR FROM THE EXPERIENCE?

That I get in my own way. A lot. I’ve learned that standing in my experience, skills and vision isn’t boasting, it’s just owning my worth. In other words, that my playing small doesn’t serve the world.

THE BEST BUSINESS ADVICE YOU’VE EVER RECEIVED?

Go with your gut.

WHAT IS COMING UP NEXT FOR CTOM?

Right now, we’re working on podcast in collaboration with the Melanoma Institute of Australia. There are a few very exciting projects I can’t quite talk about yet but summer 2020 is going to be big.

WHAT IS THE MOST PRODUCTIVE PART OF THE DAY?

Unfortunately, I’m quite a night owl which means my brain really gets going around 3pm. I’m trying to change this, but I do some of my best work after 10pm. (Not great for early starts with a toddler.)

WHAT DOES ‘BALANCE’ LOOK LIKE IN YOUR LIFE?

Honestly? It doesn’t exist. I’ve got a nine-month old business I’m building, a freelance consulting, writing and styling career, and an almost-two year old son. Between all that, keeping our household in order, seeing friends and family and trying to fit in regular exercise and downtime, it’s madness.

ANYTHING YOU WISH SOMEONE HAD TOLD YOU BEFORE YOU HAD KIDS?

Don’t be surprised or sad if your body doesn’t snap back. Most celebrities and influencers have a certain body type so if they are back in size 6 jeans two weeks later and you’re still in maternity leggings six months in, it’s not because there is anything wrong with you.

WHAT HAS BEEN THE HARDEST PARENTING PERIOD SO FAR?

Definitely now. I parent without timeouts, yelling or smacking and that requires a lot of patience when your child is two and tantrums most days. I have empathy for him and understand his developmental capacity, but it’s still difficult when your kid is banging their ownhead on concrete.

ANY TIPS FOR NAVIGATING MOTHERHOOD?

Back your own choices. There is an unfortunate culture of judging and shaming mothers for making parenting decisions out there, and it’s perhaps most vicious on social media. From working outside the home to not working outside the home, bottle-feeding to “extended” breastfeeding, sleep training to co-sleeping—there are women out there who will attack you literally no matter what you do. My advice? Educate yourself. Make the right choice for your family. Then back it all the way.

WHAT MOTIVATES YOU THE MOST?

Helping people. It may sound trite, but it’s true. I am far more motivated to help others than I am for personal gain. (Which explains why I can’t get into a consistent gym routine, doesn’t it?)

YOUR BEST TIP FOR SHAKING YOURSELF OUT OF A FUNK?

I try to do something to change my energy, whether that’s getting a massage (cc: Venustus), going for a walk with a favourite podcast, having a long bath with a book or phoning a mate for a chat.

WHAT HAS BEEN THE BEST PARTY YOU’VE EVER THROWN OR BEEN TO?

The baby shower you and Amy (Starr) threw for me was so lovely.* Low-key (as per my request, lol) but full of very special, thoughtful touches.

WHAT’S YOUR IDEAL PARTY THEME AND WHY?

Right now, I’m very into a ‘50s tiki bar theme. (Have no idea for what party though, ha!) Hawaiian shirts, cane furniture, tropical cocktails served in coconuts, the Blue Hawaii soundtrack—fun!

WHO’S ON YOUR DREAM PARTY GUEST LIST AND WHY?

If I could, I’d invite my grandfather and pop. Would give anything to see them both again.

BEST TIME-SAVING PARTY TRICK?

Outsource the hard bits. If it’s going to take you two days to construct a cake, or you know you’ll stress about catering or crafting decorations, just buy them. No one has a good time if the host is freaking out so factor the things you don’t like doing into your budget if you can or ask for help.

YOUR FAVOURITE PARTY SONG?

Anything disco—I love the Bee Gees and Donna Summer.

Lisa’s baby shower

WHAT ARE YOUR SIGNATURE SUNSCREENS?

Right now I’ve got Dermalogica Age Smart Dynamic Skin Recovery SPF50, Ultraceuticals Ultra UV Protective Daily Moisturiser SPF50+ and Ultra Violette Supreme Screen SPF50+ on high rotation

WHICH BEAUTY PRODUCTS DO YOU USE TO THE VERY, VERY LAST DROP?

So many! (Too many.) Ultraceuticals Even Skin Tone Serum, Beaute Pacifique Puffy Eyes Gel, SK-II Mid-Day Miracle Mist, Drunk Elephant Lala Retro Whipped Cream, Go-To Properly Clean, Lanolips 101 Ointment, Olaplex (the treatment and shampoo and conditioner), Laura Mercier’s Tinted Moisturizer Illuminating, Venustus’ Muscle Melting Spray and Benefit’s Precisely My Brow Pencil.

WHAT ARE SOME OF YOUR MOST RECENT BEAUTY FINDS?

Fluff’s Bronzing Powder is really, really good. It’s a matte powder that almost melts into the skin, and never looks dirty or ruddy. Elle Effect Self Tan has the best fade of any tan I’ve ever tried, hands down. The colour itself is also great of course. I recently purchased West Barn Co’s Soapbrows Kit and I love it. My brow hairs don’t stay up with regular gel, but this stuff keeps them nicely in place. Another great buy was this makeup box and illuminated mirror from OSC. I am in love with it.

IF YOU COULD CREATE A SIGNATURE SCENT, WHICH PERFUMES WOULD INSPIRE IT?

This is a difficult question for me because I love fragrance and my taste is varied. But because it’s winter I’ll say Byredo’s Rose of No Man’s Land (my wedding fragrance), Le Labo’s The Noir (a woody blend of amber, black tea and rose) and Sarah and Sebastian’s Olympia (all fig, jasmine and spices).

WHAT IS YOUR BEST SUNSCREEN TIP/TRICK/HACK THAT YOU WISH ALL WOMEN KNEW ABOUT?

To reapply sunscreen over makeup, use a dry makeup sponge (one that isn’t very absorbent, so you don’t lose too much product) to dab it on gently. Bear in mind you need to create an even coverage for the sunscreen to do its job so something liquid-y, like Ultra Violette’s Queen Screen, is perfect.

I first met Jessica Rowe when I was 20 years old, fresh off the plane from Adelaide, having recently landed my first real job at Cosmopolitan.

I was still finishing uni online, and decided to take a short creative writing course at the University of Technology Sydney, so that I didn’t feel completely adrift in my new world of publishing.

At the first night class, in strode one of the most glamorous woman I’d ever seen! Jessica was doing the nightly news then. She rushed straight from the set in full TV makeup, apologising to us that she might be a few minutes late to each class – the broadcast finished just as we started. Jessica was the first famous person I’d met but here she was, listening intently to everything being said, and always with a kind and genuine reply, even if you were a clueless 20 year old, like I was.

Well, I thought she was it and a bit. And I can tell you, I still do.

As I learnt over the years in my job in the media, Jessica is known for her talent, quick wit, humour and for being one of the most down-to-earth people in TV broadcasting. In 2015, she was honoured as a Member of the Order of Australia for her incredible work as an advocate for mental health awareness and her contribution to Australian media.

Goals, much?!

It’s no wonder she has amassed a whopping 110K followers on Instagram, which is where her now famous hashtag #craphousewife was born. Women all around the country (and likely the world!) can relate to Jessica’s refreshing and honest take on home life.

Her new book Diary of a Crap Housewife is like a hug from a best friend. Or a glass of wine after a long, long day. It’s a tribute to true friendships and raising strong, resilient kids. It’s that honest advice you desperately seek but most are too scared to share. At its heart, it is a book about bravery. But I’ll let Jessica tell you more about that now.

I am thrilled beyond measure to kick off our new series The Festive Co.nvo with this inspiring interview from your new BFFTYDAK (best friend forever that you don’t actually know.)

Enjoy x

Mother’s Day is around the corner and your book, Diary of a Crap Housewife is in many ways a love letter to your daughters. What is your favourite thing about being a mum?

My favourite thing is just my girls! Having these little souls and the love that you feel for them – there’s nothing like it. They teach me so much and nothing prepares you for [motherhood], it changes all the time. Allegra is 12 going on 20. She loves putting together some sort of ensemble. Just the other day, we were having a celebration for her sister’s birthday and she wore an old dress of mine. It was emerald green silk, almost 50s style. She looked fantastic! She was trying to put my shoes on and I’m like ‘Darling, might be a bit much?’ and she said ‘Mummy I’m an individual, this is how I express myself!’ I really want to nurture and encourage that more and more in her and not have that squashed.

Giselle just turned 10. She is hilarious with a dry sense of humour and she’s very observant. She will say things as they are and I’ll think to myself, I wish I had a bit more of your no-nonsense [attitude].  She’s got my sense of silliness too. She loves a bit of a prank or a silly costume. I love getting dressed up.

I’ve got this fabulous big cat head that I bought from Kmart. Sometimes I wear it when I pick the girls up from school. I’ll be sitting in the car – I don’t drive in it because I can’t see, obviously – but I put it on while I’m waiting. Allegra, understandably, is mortified, but Giselle thinks it’s hilarious. And she’ll wear it too!

Being their mum is my greatest joy.

One of the most wonderful themes of the book is being honest about the pressure mums are under to be ‘perfect’. Where does the pressure come from?

We do put far too much pressure on ourselves. I’m getting much better at letting go of it. But interestingly, on the weekend I’d been away promoting the book, Giselle had been at camp and we’d missed celebrating her birthday. I felt like I had to make the weekend fantastic for her and I put all of this pressure on myself. Then I thought, why am I doing this? She was loving what we were doing. Why am I yet again – even though my message is to take the pressure off – still doing it? I think it’s because as mothers, guilt just comes with it. There’s the incredible love and bond you have for this little soul that has grown inside of you. It’s that silver thread that connects you.

I’m a very proud feminist. Yes, we can have it all… but not at the same time. I think something always has to give and that’s what we don’t talk enough about. There is always a cost.

We’re not honest enough with one another about those sacrifices.  For me writing Diary of a Crap Housewife was about being honest about those struggles.

Like I said, I still beat myself up on the weekend. But you know, that night when I tucked Giselle into bed, she said ‘Mummy I had the best day. You’re the best. I love you.” And that is what matters.

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How did the hashtag #craphousewife take on this crazy life of its own!?

It was so unexpected! When I began posting the meals I cooked for my family, I used the hashtag #craphousewife. Really poking fun at myself and laughing, not for one moment realising that five years later there would be 100,000 other fellow crap housewives following me on Insta who now also share their meals or failures or disasters.

It’s like giving each other permission to go, you’re good enough! It’s about embracing your imperfection and saying we can’t do it all or we can’t be great at everything. The point is, we’re doing our best and some days it’s going to be better than others, which is all right.

The older I get, the more comfortable I am with really saying it as it is. Rather than feeling like you’re the only one who is struggling to keep it together, because we’re all struggling. It’s just that some of us wear better masks than others and I’m all about dropping the mask.

Unless it’s a cat head and you’re sitting in the car laughing! Keep that mask on – ha!

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I love that you celebrate beauty and that there’s an entire chapter in the book called ‘Botox’. What does beauty do for your mood? 

Beauty can be transformative. Wearing a lovely bright lippie like we have on today makes me feel brighter. Even if on the inside I’m feeling a bit blah, it just lifts my mood and it helps me present myself to the world in the way I want to be seen.

I’m doing it not because of a pressure I feel from outside, it’s purely because I enjoy it. I’ve always loved a bright lipstick and liquid liner and ok, maybe in the past I’ve got a little carried away with cream blush. Ha! Petey would say in the car, ‘Oh pussycat, you might need to blend that a bit!”

Friendship is another beautiful theme in the book. You talk about seasons of friendship and how hard it is to maintain every single relationship.

You can’t. You can’t! My beautiful friend Pip came up with the idea of friendship ‘zones’, that I talk about in the book. It’s a really good way to think about the people in your life. We have a finite amount of that emotional energy. So you have to decide who you want to invest that energy in. When I tell my daughter’s that friends are people who make you feel good about yourself, I think to myself, well actually I need to listen to that too. 

You have to really make sure that you surround yourself with good people who aren’t negative ninjas, who don’t suck your energy, but instead leave you feeling [amazing].

You love costumes! What has been your all-time favourite creation?

The fart! My fart costume, absolutely. [Jessica created this to wear on Studio 10]

It didn’t really take long to make once I worked out what I needed. In terms of the assembly, it was about two nights of work. I went to Spotlight to buy the tulle. I had to get the right colours, like a light green, a brown and a bit of white, so I could layer them. I used one of my daughter’s headbands and stitched the tulle onto that like a big puffy veil. The messier the better! Then I stitched the tulle onto a singlet.

And another one was a Crazy Cat Lady costume for Halloween. I have a pink dressing gown and I found all my kids cat soft toys from around the house and attached them with safety pins all over. I have plenty of those Dame Edna style glasses and the Channel 10 girls popped rollers in my hair.

Images via www.craphousewife.com

Where did your love of dressing up come from?

My mum had a fantastic dress up box for us as kids – I have two sisters – that was filled with her old clothes. Her bridal veil was in there and she used to have hair pieces, it was like this dark brown possum thing. It really does [nurture your imagination] when you’re young.

What has been your favourite part of your 40’s so far?

Well, my favourite thing about being in my 40s is… I just LOVE it. It’s the happiest I’ve ever been! I can’t wait to be 50. The older I get, the happier I am. Because I’m more comfortable in my skin, I care less about what people think. That is so empowering. It’s the best and it’s freeing.

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How do you let go of worrying about what other people think?

I don’t think it’s as simple as saying you do this and just let go. I think life is a series of letting go, and things happen in your life that you realise you cannot control. For me, having post-natal depression was my big rock bottom. That was really when my learning began. About myself, about my previous need for control, and realising that no one is perfect.

Like anything, you’ve got to live it. You have to learn it.

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The word brave appeared a lot in the book. Even when it wasn’t written there, I scribbled in the margins: BRAVE. When you talked about leaving a job you loved. About post-natal depression. About friendships and taking leaps of faith and saying yes to unexpected job opportunities. Do you feel brave? 

Yeah, I do. I really do. That’s something I want my girls to learn. I want them to be brave and to be kind and to be silly.

It’s hard, but we all have to try and live our bravest lives. We only get one shot at it. We have to make it count.  To me, being brave is really about going for it, even if it’s not always going to work. Because the point is, it isn’t always going to work. You will get knocked back.  But something else will come your way and you’ll give it another go. That’s the important thing.

We zig zag all over the place – we move backwards, we go sideways and we question ourselves and our choices.  But if you can, you listen to that bravery inside of you. That’s the way to do it.

Jessica’s new book Diary of a Crap Housewife, $29.99 (Allen & Unwin) is on sale now!

Find out more about Jessica here and here, or follow her on Instagram here!